seattle.politics

not-at-all-a-danger-boy wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> not-at-all-a-danger-boy wrote:
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> not-at-all-a-danger-boy wrote:
>>>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>> not-at-all-a-danger-boy wrote:
>>>>>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>> /tag/presidential-candidates/mike-huckabee/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Huckabee is wrong. Honor isn't why a nation goes to war, and it
>>>>>>>> isn't why it stays in one. A nation should go to war only if
>>>>>>>> it's in its strategic interest. Iraq was not and is not in our
>>>>>>>> interest, and we should withdraw now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why didn't you say this in 2003? And why aren't you calling for
>>>>>>> impeachment then?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But one question. Are you saying we should start a war simply
>>>>>>> because it is in our strategic interest?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. I'm saying we shouldn't be in one if it isn't in our
>>>>>> strategic interest. It's necessary but not sufficient.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is moral imperative never sufficient?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Wow. A completely amoral person.
>>
>> No. Nations are not about morality.
>
> First, you are switching back and forth between "we," meaning people,
> and nations, meaning something else.

No, I'm not.


> You can't do that.

I don't know if it's permitted or not, but I'm not
doing it.


> You said we
> shouldn't be in the war. We The People.

The United States.


> Second, you didn't address the
> counter example. We had no strategic interest in Europe in WWII.

Not true.


> We were
> isolationist.

Some were; not all.


> Our strategic interest would have been better served by
> letting the nazis run Europe.

Perhaps, but not because you say so; you're incompetent
to make that judgment.


> So you're saying our entry into the
> European part of WWII was wrong,

No. You're saying I said it, but you don't know what
you're talking about.


> which is absurd.

It's also your straw man. I never said it.


> We entered for moral reasons,

No.


> not for honor.

I never said we entered for honor. Honor and moral
reasons are not the only possible reasons. You've just
created a false bifurcation. Nice job.