Group: seattle.politics
From: dangerman
Date: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: California Decertifies Electronic Voting Machines

Clave wrote:
> "dangerman" < @ > wrote in message
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>> Clave wrote:
>>> "dangerman" < @ > wrote in message
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>>>> Clave wrote:
>>>>> "dangerman" < @ > wrote in message
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>>>>>> Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>>>>>> dangerman < @ > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>>>>>> [..]
>>>>>>>>> There have been studies that show that exit polls reveal just such
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> problem, because the exit polls are accurate in one county and way
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>> in the next one over, and the difference is that they're way off in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> county that uses e-voting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which, again, isn't evidence of cheating, but it's enough to cast
>>>>>>>>> serious doubt on e-voting.
>>>>>>>> How does it cast doubt on e-voting?
>>>>>>> In the way that would make sense to anyone with half a brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So it doesn't cast doubt on e-voting then.
>>>>> Are you taking argumentation lessons from Lobby or what?
>>>> Paul, Actually. But my point, which I suppose you missed, is that there
>>>> is that there is doubt about the whole concept of e-voting, which has
>>>> always been there. This instance of badly designed e-voting machines
>>>> being used in an election that apparently ended counter to the election
>>>> exit polls didn't cast that doubt there. It's the same doubt that was
>>>> always there.
>>>>
>>>> Here is another question, though. If you were an evil CEO who wanted to
>>>> manipulate elections with voting machines made by your company, and do
>>>> it without detection, how would you do it?
>>> Disguise it as incompetence so the rubes think it's just bad engineering.
>> Really?
>
> Is that *really* all you could think of to say?
>
> Sufficiently-advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

The *really* was meant to ask you, given the question I asked, Is that
*really* how you would do it? Is it?